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Box: 111916

new Male Walker, 58, based near Southampton

Message: Hello! I'm a 58 year old man looking a female walking companion. I live in Southampton and particularly enjoy walking in Hampshire and the New Forest. I'm very fit and have a youthful outlook on life. Apart from walking I also enjoy sailing, tennis and cycling and am passionate about wildlife and nature. I work freelance and so can be quite flexible as to when I take time off. My children are grown up and I have no other responsibilities or commitments. I'm very chatty and people tell me I make good company.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The South Downs : Dorset : Hampshire : The Isle of Wight : Surrey

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 111888

new Female Walker, 55, based near Littlehampton

Message: Hi I am 55 and love to walk. My adorable Labrador Alfie my constant walking buddy is now 12 and unable to cope with distance or challenging terrain. Married with two college age boys and hard working husband. Live only 5 minutes stroll from the English Channel and the back drop of the South Downs with its extensive walking path routes. I travel to Austria almost every year to hike/walk whilst my husband finds the road cycling routes. I work part time with flexible hours. I am looking for female walking buddies for walking all levels weekdays and/or weekends close to home or further afield. I would like to conquer the West Country and South Wales Coastal Paths. I am interested in architecture, flora and fauna, wildlife and also any walking routes that are themed. I am quite a brisk walker but like to stop and take in my surrounding. I look forward to meeting you. . . . . . . . . . . Recently obtained NNAS Bronze Certificate.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) Dartmoor : Exmoor : The Yorkshire Dales : The New Forest : The South Downs : Bristol : Cambridgeshire : Cornwall : Devon : Dorset : East Sussex : Gloucestershire : Greater London : Hampshire : The Isle of Wight : The Isles of Scilly : Kent : North Yorkshire : Oxfordshire: Shropshire : Somerset : Surrey : West Sussex : West Yorkshire : Wiltshire : Worcestershire : Worcestershire : Pembrokeshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6

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Box: 111915

new Male Walker, 66, based near Aylesbury

Message: Hello, I am retired and single with plenty of time to indulge my love of walking. I walk sometimes alone and sometimes with local walking groups. I would very much like to expand on that by finding a new friend or friends to walk with on a one to one basis. I live in Aylesbury so the Chilterns are on my doorstep but I am more than happy to try other areas. Recent walking holidays were in Wales and Yorkshire and I was born and raised near the Lake District. I am more interested in spending time in the outdoors, stopping to enjoy the views and ending in a pub, than in ticking off particular challenges. A typical walk for me would be between 6 and 12 miles. More than that on a good day! If that sounds good to you drop me a line and we can take it from there. Brian

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : The New Forest : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : The Pembrokeshire Coast : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales : Berkshire : Buckinghamshire : County Durham : Cumbria : Derbyshire : Devon : Dorset : North Yorkshire : Oxfordshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 3:4:5:6

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Box: 103425

new Male Walker, 50, based near Morley

Message: hi all I Mick live in Co Durham looking for like minded people for walks with me and my dog winnie. i work a funny shift patten can be off week days as well as weekends wont say much on hear wont have much to talk about whilst out walking .

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Brecon Beacons : Dartmoor : Exmoor : The Lake District : Loch Lomond and The Trossachs : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales : The Cairngorms : The South Downs : County Durham : Cumbria : North Yorkshire : Northumberland : Pembrokeshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1 :2 :3 :4 :5 :6 :7 :8 :9

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Box: 111913

new Male Walker, 46, based near Swindon

Message: Hello my name is Edward, I am 46, and single. I am looking for a female walking companion. I have not walked for a few years but want to get back in to it. I did think of joining The Ramblers but, I am quite shy, and do not like large groups of people. I am going on holiday to East Devon on 30th September for a week, and would love to go for a walk's with some company. Currently I do not work but, am looking for work, and doing some volunteering in the meantime. I am based in Swindon, Wiltshire but, am willing to travel to meet people for walks in most of the South West, and South Wales. However, I would be prepared to go further afield for a planned trip / holiday. I can assure you that I am a honest, respectful, and concientious person who has good intentions, and would like to make some new friends. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you would like further information, and I will happily oblige. Thank you for reading my profile.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Brecon Beacons : Dartmoor : Exmoor : The Pembrokeshire Coast : The South Downs : Berkshire : Bristol : Cornwall : Devon : Dorset : Gloucestershire : Hampshire : Herefordshire : Oxfordshire : Somerset : Wiltshire : Blaenau Gwent : Bridgend : Caerphilly : Cardiff : Carmarthenshire : Merthyr Tydfil : Monmouthshire : Pembrokeshire : Rhondda Cynon Taff : Swansea : Vale of Glamorgan

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 106961

new Female Walker, 48, based near Somerset

Message: I like nothing more than a day walk, any time of year, whatever the weather. I prefer a more challenging walk over a stroll. I love being amongst nature, I find it very calming and grounding after a set of shifts. I'd like to find a fit walking friend who doesn't mind what the weather brings. I must stress that I am not looking for a relationship, just a likeminded individual to share some pleasant hikes with. I work unsocial hours and three weekends out of four (good old nhs) but have plenty of free days midweek.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) Dartmoor : Exmoor : Snowdonia : Bristol : Devon : Dorset : Gloucestershire : Somerset : Wiltshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 2 :3 :4 :5 :6 :7 :8 :9

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Box: 110465

new Male Walker, 45, based near Leicestershire

Message: Hello, I am Daniel. I am 45 and single in the East Midlands. I am looking for a walking companion & will happily travel... I am pretty fit and love walking in the fresh air. I am happy to go at whatever pace you like, in all weather! I am in Leicestershire and have most weekends free to walk.... I have an amount of hiking experience and have walked in the Peaks, Snowdonia, Yorkshire, Scotland and some of Ireland. I am currently looking at walking some of the Pennine Way - if you are interested in that - please get in touch :)

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : Loch Lomond and The Trossachs : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales : The New Forest : Cumbria : Derbyshire : The East Riding of Yorkshire : Leicestershire : Lincolnshire : Norfolk : North Yorkshire : Northamptonshire : Northumberland : Nottinghamshire : South Yorkshire : Staffordshire : Warwickshire : West Midlands : West Yorkshire : Conwy : Gwynedd : The Isle of Anglesey : Pembrokeshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 111522

new Male Walker, 62, based near Near Derby

Message: Hey, just looking for walking companions. Living close to the Peak district, this is where I do most of my walking and my picture here was taken on Win Hill with Ladybower reservoir just visible in the background. I usually walk around 8_10 miles, but don't mind short walks too and like to take in the scenery, photography playing a big part of my memories. I have visited many of our walking areas and really enjoyed them, in particular the Long Mynd, Pembroke coast and Lake District have fond memories for me .In summer I delight in packing my things onto my motor bike and heading off to Devon. At the moment, September 2017, I have covered around 60 miles of the south west coast path in various stages over the past few years adding a few with each visit and what a journey the SWCP can be... As well as lifting your spirits it has amazing scenery, tough but rewarding walking and often those little places that time has forgot. At the end of a walk I find nothing to beat a hearty pub meal and a pint. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : The North York Moors : The Peak District : The Yorkshire Dales : Cheshire : Derbyshire : Devon : Dorset : The East Riding of Yorkshire : Leicestershire : Lincolnshire : North Yorkshire : Nottinghamshire : Rutland : Shropshire : Staffordshire : Wiltshire : Pembrokeshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1 :2 :3 :4 :5

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Box: 111591

new Female Walker, 55, based near Merseyside

Message: Hi I would like to meet anyone familiar with walks around the Bala/Gwynedd area. Unfortunately I'm no good at map reading hence why I'm hoping to find people with good navigational skills. I recently climbed Cader Idris with a group and excellent leader so didn't get lost! Other recent experience has been a point to point trek across Mallorca, high level walking in Sardinia & Lanzarote. I also usually manage to visit the Lakes a couple of times a year. I don't do camping of ANY kind I'm afraid but do enjoy good humour and conversation. If you can read a map and fancy a day out in the Gwynedd area please get in touch.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : Snowdonia : Cheshire : Cumbria : Lancashire : Gwynedd : Pembrokeshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 3 :4 :5 :6

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Box: 111900

new Female Walker, 48, based near Windermere

Message: Hi, I live and work in the Lake District and since moving here 3 years ago, I have fallen in love with fell walking and set myself a challenge to complete the Wainwrights. I have met some lovely friends through walking and it would be great to meet some more who are keen to share my challenge! Would love to hear from you, especially if you are familiar with walking the Lake District fells.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 107289

new Female Walker, 60, based near Lincoln

Message: Hi my name is Anne, I am 60 looking for walking companions for either day/weekend/week walks. I have just retired and have a desire to do a lot more walking and/or tour the UK perhaps in a camper van or narrowboat walking and exploring. I have walked the White Peak Way 90 miles a couple of times which is a lovely walk and a couple of other (flat) long distance walks. Not so keen on camping, prefer B&B, Youth Hostel or similar, what a wimp! I like to go at a steady plod. . . . short or longer walks. I look forward to hearing from you. . .

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Brecon Beacons : The Lake District : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales : The South Downs : Derbyshire : The East Riding of Yorkshire : Lincolnshire : North Yorkshire : Northumberland : South Yorkshire : West Yorkshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6:7

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Box: 109158

new Female Walker, 50, based near Templecombe

Message: Hi. I'm a 50 year old female living in Henstridge Somerset and working nearby. I really enjoy walking and the great outdoors and although very happy with my own company it would be great to walk with others sometimes anything up to 20 miles. Although I'm single I'm not looking for anything more than walking companions. I'm pretty ok with map reading and although I own a compass I'm useless with it but would love to learn. Pub visits are always a plus - that's when my pace really quickens! I'm happy to drive anywhere and I'm free most weekends and during the lighter months evenings too. Lisa

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) Dorset : Somerset : Wiltshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 104500

new Female Walker, 44, based near Dagenham, Essex

Message: Hi, I am an experienced hiker and able to do 10-20 miles comfortably. I hike weekly with three groups but am looking for like minded people to do more adventurous hikes and enjoy the great outdoors with on weekends away and hols. I have a good knowledge of the OS maps and compass. I am a working mum of two and my husband is not one for hiking, So I am able to do day hike at the weekend and can go away during school holidays . I enjoy walking at good pace ( some say fast) and like learning about people, things and places of interest. I like to describe myself as an around good egg! So if you are like minded, I am happy to try out day hikes to see how we get along. Thanks for reading. (Box no: 104500)

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Brecon Beacons : Dartmoor : Exmoor : The Lake District : Loch Lomond and The Trossachs : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales : The Cairngorms : The Pembrokeshire Coast : The Broads : The New Forest : The South Downs : Bedfordshire : Berkshire : Buckinghamshire : Cambridgeshire : Cornwall : Derbyshire : Devon : East Sussex : Essex : Hampshire : Hertfordshire : The Isle of Wight : Kent : Northumberland : Shropshire : Somerset : Surrey : Wiltshire : The Isle of Anglesey : Pembrokeshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 111814

new Male Walker, 41, based near Morden

Message: Hi, I'm Martin. Looking to get walking again. Have made a small start to the South West Coast Path and want get back down there and be by the sea again. Quite interested in exploring the South Downs as well. Based in South London. Have my own car and am happy to drive to most places. I can be quite flexible with days and times. I have a reasonable stride and can cover the ground, but I'm not looking for a route march. Want to stop and take it all in and explore any interesting bits - and that might include pub lunches and coffee stops if they are on the route!!

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The New Forest : The South Downs : Cornwall : Devon : Dorset : East Sussex : Kent : Somerset : Surrey : West Sussex

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 103753

new Female Walker, 60, based near Thirsk

Message: Hello fellow walkers - I am looking for a female walking companion for leisurely walks in the countryside, around about about 6 miles or so in length, both in my home county of Yorkshire and further afield. I am not looking for a challenge but simply to enjoy the beauty of the countryside and the fresh air, with stops to admire the views and appreciate nature. Also enjoy coastal walks, rivers and canals. Tea and cake at a quaint teashop or even a pub meal would round off the day nicely. Definitely not a sporty individual, although I do enjoy swimming, I have varied interests including reading, the arts particularly theatre and cinema, crafts especially knitting, history and architecture, railways and vintage cars, travel both in the UK and abroad, animals especially cats. I have numerous walking books for my own area and have reasonable map reading skills. As I am now retired, I can walk on some weekdays, as well as on the weekend.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : The Yorkshire Dales : County Durham : Cumbria : The East Riding of Yorkshire : Lancashire : North Yorkshire : Northumberland : South Yorkshire : West Yorkshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1 :2 :3 :4

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Box: 111884

new Female Walker, 50, based near Teignmouth

Message: Your Message Hi. I'm new to South Devon and love to walk! My trusty Shetland sheepdog is my constant companion. I'm hardy but not very fast. But I love company, a cuppa and good conversation! I'm only interested in making friends, nothing more. Timewise, I am very flexible so happy to do weekdays around the local area or Dartmoor or further afield. I'm a liberal thinker, an ex-academic, interested in the arts, travel, politics and culture, anything funny and engaging. I also play the violin badly, but don't worry, it doesn't come out with me! I love the great outdoors and fresh air.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) Dartmoor : Exmoor : Cornwall : Devon : Somerset

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5

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Box: 111881

new Female Walker, 73, based near Bolton

Message: Am a late in life transgender female currently in transition. Hope that doesn't put you off. I walk about 1 and a half miles each morning with my dogs before breakfast plus other walks plus mountain bike rides and competitions. Wednesday evenings and Thursday mornings are taken by voluntary work with Wheels for All in Bolton. Some weekends am committed to helping trail running events. In my former life, have been an outdoor instructor, Orienteer (on foot and mountain bike) , teacher and cycle retailer. Enjoy the countryside, food and wine. Feel younger than my numerical age though hormone treatment has reduced strength. Perhaps my past dysphoria was a factor in being uncomfortable in a group - not been happy within a large walking group. Getting better riding with the Saddleworth Rough Stuff Cycling group. Hoping to find female companions, preferably dog friendly, to share my walks.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : Loch Lomond and The Trossachs : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 106778

new Male Walker, 52, based near Warrington

Message: Hi I'm Neil, I'm a 52 year old male, I have completed the 214 Wainwrights twice and the 116 Outlying Fells and love nothing more than been out in the Lake District in all weathers. I enjoy been in the hills, no matter where, England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. I spend virtually every Saturday out walking and would welcome some company, male or female, individually or in a small group. I am an experienced map reader and tend to start at first light to be out before the crowds. I mix my routes between The Wainwrights, The Outlying Fells, The Howgills, The Yorkshire Dales, North Yorkshire Moors and Snowdonia.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Brecon Beacons : The Lake District : Loch Lomond and The Trossachs : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales : The Cairngorms : Northumberland

Preferred Walk Grades*: 3:4:5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 103631

new Male Walker, 48, based near Chesterfield

Message: Hello, I'm Mark I enjoy walking and discovering places. I occasionally lead walks for my friends or just enjoy a walk on my own. I'm looking to meet someone who enjoys the scenery and wildlife and enjoys a occasional challenge. I also do a bit of mountain biking now and then (no mad off road down hill routes). Look forward to hearing from anyone with similar interests.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : The Yorkshire Dales : The Broads : Cambridgeshire : Cheshire : Cumbria : Derbyshire : Devon : Greater Manchester : The Isle of Wight : Lancashire : Leicestershire : Lincolnshire : Norfolk : North Yorkshire : Northamptonshire : Northumberland : Nottinghamshire : Shropshire : Somerset : South Yorkshire : Staffordshire : Warwickshire : West Midlands : West Yorkshire : Worcestershire : Worcestershire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1 :2 :3 :4 :5 :6 :7

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Box: 109348

new Male Walker, 55, based near Shrewsbury

Message: Hi, I'm John. If you like a large all day walk or a short 2 hour one then let me know. I used to do a lot of walking but have lived in Australia for the last eleven years and I'm looking forward to the hills again. If you know good routes thats great i love new routes, if you dont then we will find them between us. I also enjoy stopping for a coffee or a beer and love meals out after a day on the hills. If you are interested then get in touch.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Brecon Beacons : The Lake District : Loch Lomond and The Trossachs : The North York Moors : The Peak District : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales : The Cairngorms

Preferred Walk Grades*: 2 :3 :4 :5 :6

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Box: 111542

new Male Walker, 59, based near Walsall

Message: Hi, my name is Mike and I'm looking for a walking companion(s) to enjoy walks with. I have walked on my own and in groups before, but prefer walking with one or two people. I don't mind, long or short distances walking. I love to walk on the hills and in the mountains. My favourite spot is the long mynd. I would like to go further a field, to discover other areas? I'm not one of these who need to do a fast walk, I just like to get into the fresh air and enjoys take in the views, or even a few photo's. I'm based justo ff the M6 at junction 9 most people know IKEA. I'm easy going...... I like to have a chat and a laugh, but I'm also a good listener too. I've been told I've got a good sense of humor and I don't mind a bit of a banter if you like that sort of thing? I don't mind what the weather is doing, has long as there is somewhere for a cuppa (pub/cafe) at the end/middle of the walk. My average distance these days is between 8 and 15 miles I'm flexible with the distance and terrains. So if you want to walk with me on a regular basis or If you are at a lose end and fancy a walk why not get in touch. Cheers

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : The Peak District : Snowdonia : Derbyshire : Leicestershire : Shropshire : Staffordshire : Warwickshire : West Midlands : Worcestershire : Worcestershire : Wrexham

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1 :2 :3 :4 :5 :6

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Box: 111783

new Female Walker, 46, based near Sheffield

Message: My name is Alex, living in Sheffield, having discover The Peak District is only a door step away, Id liked to explore the area (as well as other national parks around the country) with a male or female companion. I cant read map and cant use the compass...so I'll be relying on you to find my way lol. I'm not only interested in walks, but also camping or glamping, tackling mountains...from a Grade 1 to Grade death lol. I'm relatively fit. I only need help in gathering the right equipment for different type of outdoor pursuits. I'm willing to drive far to walk/run/dance/climb/crawl/sleep anywhere. . . . . mostly free in the weekend; weekdays constraint to local walks. I hope to hear from you.....thanks x

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : The North York Moors : The Peak District : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales : Pembrokeshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5:6:7:8:9

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Box: 109910

new Female Walker, 54, based near Merseyside

Message: Hi I am Jan I am 54 years old and looking to start walking as a healthy pursuit. I enjoy the outdoors and would like some company whilst walking. My family have grown up so I have spare time to enjoy my own pursuits. I drive so can meet/pick up fellow walkers en route. Looking for enjoyable company on Mondays or weekends.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : Loch Lomond and The Trossachs : Snowdonia : The Yorkshire Dales : Cheshire : Cumbria : Greater Manchester : Lancashire : Merseyside : Staffordshire : West Midlands : Conwy : Flintshire : The Isle of Anglesey

Preferred Walk Grades*: 1:2:3:4:5

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Box: 111824

new Female Walker, 50, based near Penrith

Message: Hi, I am looking for walking friends, male or female, primarily to walk in the Lake District as that's where I live, but would also look at travelling. I mostly walk weekends although have time off available. I know the Lake District well and look forward to sharing it. If anybody would like to try putting a small group together I would be interested in that too .

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : Cumbria

Preferred Walk Grades*: 4 :5 :6 :7 :8 :9

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Box: 111566

new Female Walker, 50, based near Co Durham

Message: Hi, I am looking for female walking companions in the County Durham area. I love walking & enjoy walks in the Dales, Moors, Hills, Coast & The Lake District. I usually walk approx 10 to 15 miles. I love spending time in the great outdoors enjoying the fresh air & exercise & seeing the beautiful landscapes.

Preferred Walk Area: (click each link to see other walkers wanting to walk there) The Lake District : Northumberland : The North York Moors : The Peak District : The Yorkshire Dales : County Durham : Cumbria : Derbyshire : North Yorkshire : Northumberland : South Yorkshire : West Yorkshire

Preferred Walk Grades*: 4:5:6:7:8

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